Is Downloading Music Appropriate
The advent of the Internet has made the sharing of information so much easier. This includes digital information like music and movies. Many people have take n advantage of this to share music and video without paying for it.
Is this appropriate, let alone legal? What should we be doing to educate our kids in this matter? Is it even possible to stop? Should we care?
posted by Jeff Whipple at 4:14 PM
36 Comments:
I think that it is ok that people share music and videos online. Some people may be angry because they are not making money from selling this stuff. I think that this is part of moving into the future. We are now able to receive stuff for free and that is ok. Just like with T.V's, people now get pirate cards that allow them to watch T.V without the monthly bills. However, they still do put money into fixes. It's Free, and i think it is ok. Companies need to move forward with us and find different ways to make their money. this is a "what goes around, comes around" moment.
Gail said: From the point of view of the developer of the music, video or other types of software, it is piracy and it should be treated as such. As an educational software developer, should I decide that I would like to do this for a living, I would like to get paid for any work that I author/produce. It is just like any other written work like books, etc. Our children should be taught that this is stealing like any other type of stealing if its is under copyright. There is obviously a problem with stopping it because there are no adequate controls built into the technology. We have literally created a 'monster' that we have no control over and this crosses over into the area of morality. This is just a typical example of some of the negative effects of computers and technology. We should care for issues like this because we seem to be living in a world that has the attitude that if 'I can get away with it, then it's okay to do'. This is a very skewed sense of morality. Children are not being taught basic values like respect and honesty. We have to take a good long look at where our world and its 'progress' has brought us. It definitely hasn't all been good. We have reached a point in time when our world has become a very dangerous place. We must be discerning and selective about the 'latest' if we are to survive as a civilization.
I personally think that it is theft when music, videos and movies are downloaded off the internet without the artist being paid. This is becoming more and more acceptable for teens because many parents are not aware of the seriousness of this crime. Also, many parents/adults are stealing satelite signals so they aren't showing a good example to these children. I think that law enforcement should crack down on these criminal activities and start giving people heavy fines. What if it were us losing out on all that money?!!! We would be pissed off, I know I would be.
well i think that downloading music or videos should be ok, i think it becomes illegal when they do put it on CD and sell them, where the they dont make money and someone else is. If it wasnt right then they wouldnt have free software to use to download. They do have the accessories to put the music and video. I guess its ok to do it. If they didnt want that to be happening then they wouldnt have writable cds to put music and video on.
I know that downloading music and movies is illegal but when I see these multi-millionaire musicians and movie producers crying about how much money they're losing it makes me laugh. Come on, sorry that you lost out on a few (maybe more) million but who gave you your multi millions to begin with. Mind you I don't download music or movies and I don't own a illegal sattelite but sorry if I don't sympathize with these poor rich folk. I do sympathize with the struggling movie producers and struggling musicians who havn't made it yet and could use the money. If I did let my child download music it would be from a legal site, one that I paid dues at. I do believe that somewhere down the line they will come up with a way to stop the illegal downloading but it will only serve as a challenge to the people out there who have the time to circumvent the laws.
Hey Jeff,
I think that we should be able to download music without paying for it if it is just for listening on your computer. Its nice to be able to jam out to tunes at home and it doesnt mean that we have to sell cd's in order to make money off of it. i enjoy being able to listen to tunes while i am hard at work. But i do understand the ones who have copywrited music that they want bought and not stolen. I don't see what the problemis about having the songs on your com but as long as your not rewriting these songs on a cd then it would be agains the law. I love to download music and it is fun to have at a party that you have on com. Then again everything evolves around money these days and there is nothing we can do. I would still love to be able to have tunes but its ok if they want to charge because people wnat to make personal cd's at home. so either way we can't get what we want.eventually we will be paying for everything so there is noting that we can do about it.
Hey Jeff,
I think that we should be able to download music without paying for it if it is just for listening on your computer. Its nice to be able to jam out to tunes at home and it doesnt mean that we have to sell cd's in order to make money off of it. i enjoy being able to listen to tunes while i am hard at work. But i do understand the ones who have copywrited music that they want bought and not stolen. I don't see what the problemis about having the songs on your com but as long as your not rewriting these songs on a cd then it would be agains the law. I love to download music and it is fun to have at a party that you have on com. Then again everything evolves around money these days and there is nothing we can do. I would still love to be able to have tunes but its ok if they want to charge because people wnat to make personal cd's at home. so either way we can't get what we want.eventually we will be paying for everything so there is noting that we can do about it.
I Dont Think That Music And Videos Are Legal Because If They Were Legal Then We Wouldnt Be Able To Get It For Free Of The Internet Like That Easy. They Wouldnt Even Put Music On Them Or Even Sell The Blank Cds And DVDs At Stores. So I Think That Downloading Music And Videos Arent Legal.
Burning CD's and DVD's is certainly illegal. If a person has moral judgement they should understand that when you burn a CD/DVD it is like if you went to the store and stole the CD or DVD. Many people don't care and for the ones that do they would just share and download from legal websites who credit the artists. And for the people who don't care then there's not much anyone can do other then report them to officials. I personally do not steal from anyone and certainly respect other people's work and try to credit every copyright in essays and such. When it comes to music and movies, I would watch them on-line but I wouldn't go and burn them. Our children should become more aware that it is not right and that it is punishable by law. I don't think piloting can ever be completely stopped because the people who really want the illegal, free stuff will get it one way or another. As for the question if we should care it is totally up to the individual if they want to care, but as teachers we should educate the children that it is wrong and not expose them to it especially on our own computers, because if they see you do it they will want to too.
Downloading free music, videos, movies and even software off the net is more common now a days. If you are just using it for personal use on your computer i dont think it should be illegal,But there are some out there, buring it on disks and Selling it.. thats not right. BUT my opinion on it all is, its there, so why not!! I love lisa's comment big time! " this is a "what goes around, comes around" moment". Its out there, and so many P2P networks are popping up, they are never gunna be able to control it, and BooHoo to all the rich artist getting ripped off!!! Instead of going out to pay 17 dollars for a cd with only a few good songs.. ya right.. i'd rather sign in to Lime Wire and down load them!! But hey thats just my opinion... maybe if i was in their shoes, losing out the money... I think I would be pissed too! BUT like lisa said.... this is a "what goes around, comes around" moment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think that its up to the individual that is downloading the music or dvd's. Personally I wouldn't do it ,because I don't know much about it.But we as parents should educate our children what is right, because children learn what they see. So if the parent is downloading the music from the internet,there children will do the same. I don't think that it is possible to stop the people that are doing the illegal stuff.
We all know that downloading music is illegal but people are still doing it anyway. The way I see it. It cant't be that much of a crime....cause nobody is doing anything about it!!!!
Personally, I've never dowloaded music. I've always received them as a gift or some of my friends leaved it in my car stereo.
However, I'd rather pay $20.00 for a good quality CD cause I find that once you've played a burned CD a couple of times, there is always something wrong with it.(the quality isn't that great)
Well, sure it isnt legal to download music, videos, etc. but its being done and has been for years. If its illegal then that means its not right but only way to stop it is to stop all these sites such as limewire, kazaa, morpheus, just to name a few, stop them from running the software for file sharing. I have tons of games, music, videos that is all downloaded and is free whereas i dont understand why some people buy it? I know its the right thing to do but why not take advantage of this while its free... millions of people are doing it. I remember a few years back when napster got into trouble for file sharing... Im not sure what happened in that case but I remember that was the "hot spot" for downloading music... Now theres products like pepsi promoting the idea of paying for songs... buy pepsi and get a free song, or something like that... I really dont think anyone in this business/industry is hurting because ppl are file sharing..if it were a big problem then u'd see more music stores, gaming stores..etc closing down. (i can go on.. but ill stop here)
I really don't know how to respond to the questions put to me on the class blog because.. if I say it's theft, I'm a thief and who wants to admit that? And I have a lot of music ...
I know that it's considered piracy to download movies and music without asking the individual to use it or view it, but what kind of pain in the behind is that? I mean, honestly, we really don't care anyway because everyone has had at least one burned cd without having felt guilty for owning it. So why feel guilty now? What flash in the pan effect is that really going to have on the multim-million dollar lives that these stars already have? If you ask me, it really is just greedy.
But anyway, I think that we cannot do much beyond to educate our kids against illegal downloading. I mean, they know it's there, and they like it, before it was made a legal or moral issue. I mean, my younger cousins and sisters were the ones who introduced the whole practice to me. And from what I can gather, they don't see it as "stealing" per se, but merely file sharing.. It just so happen that the files are music.
I mean, if the authorities saw it as illegal, then shutdown the filesharing sites like Ares, and limwire, problem solved. But when something has been in existence without opposition for so long, it's like asking women to start staying at home or to just wear skirts, after having been allowed to work and wear whatever they want for so long. It's impossible to stop the avalanche.
With all that is on the internet right now and has been in the past, it really seems stupid to start complaining about it being thievery and illegal. And even then, why now? I know some people get their big breaks by sharing their songs through those music sharing sites, but now that they are famous or well known, they want to jump on the "Poor-me-I'm-being-cheated-and-instead-want-to-be-rewarded-even-though-I-already-make-millions" bandwagon? It's like...get over it.
The way i see it is like if you put something out on the road for garbge day. It is no longer yours because you have given it to the public to do with it what they want. If you have something that you do not want to made public or the use of everyone with a computer do not put it on the computer. If you pay for your internet then you have not stollen anything. Information is free no matter where you go. Freedom of Information Act. should cover that.As far as music is conserned more adults piriate then youth.
Is Downloading Music Appropriate?
Music downloading is just a fad in which people including children are going through. Yes, we all know downloading music and copying movies is illegal. Parents have always taught their children to behave in an appropriate manner, but children have managed to defy their parents.
Technology is too fast and I really don’t know at times what is appropriate and what is not. From what I see my children doing on the internet; I ask myself; Is this good? Or is this bad? Then I go with my gut feeling, how I feel about what they are doing. Do I feel good about it? Or Do I feel bad about it? Then I make a judgment call whether I think it is appropriate or not. First, I have to educate myself before I can educate any one on this matter.
Yes, we should care about sharing and relaying information on the net. We don’t want to see ourselves and our children being prosecuted for things we really don’t understand.
Hi Jeff,
What a Question?
This is just my personal opinion. No offense to anyone.
Yes downloading & burning music and movies is illegal but that is the norm in today's society. It's not fair but let's be honest. If you were to receive a burned CD with music. And it happens to have the music that you like. I personally don't think you will give it back and worry about the copyrights, or that it is illegal. You would probably would play it at home, or in your vehicle. Enjoying and reminiscing. And thinking to yourself. What a nice song?, or OH I haven't heard that in awhile. And for myself a nice cold beer would be good right about now and thinking to myself PARTY!
Fran
Downloading free files from the internet must be appropriate and legal because it is easily available. If it was not, we would not be able to access them. However, there are downsides to doing this, and we must educate our kids on the matters of viruses and the possible legal action if copying someone else’s material, especially for financial gain.
I sat down at the computer at work to type in my response, and I looked up to see a poster that is prominently displayed on the wall above the computer. The poster reads, Acceptable Use of School Computers - things you need to know about Policy 311. So, to answer the question of whether or not downloading music is appropriate. As future educators we have a responsibility to our students to educate them. According to Policy 311 (www.gnb.ca), it is not appropriate. For example these are the two rules that are listed on that poster. (1) You "Must Not" use network resources to access, store or install large files for recreational purposes (e.g. games, graphics or music files). (2) You must respect a person's or organization's copyright for text and images found on the internet. You can make students aware of these rules about Policy 311, but I doubt that this would stop them. We should at least care enough to make them aware of this. They might not stop downloading music at home, but it is definitely not allowed on school.
FROM CARLA WARD.IF SHARING INFO OR MUSIC IS INAPPROPRIATE THAN WHY IS IT SO EASY FOR ANYONE TO DOWNLOAD INFO OR MUSIC FROM THE COMPUTER? IN THINK THAT SHARING MUSIC IS OKAY, ONLY IF YOU ARE USING IT FOR YOUR OWN LISTENING ENTERTAINMENT AND NOT SELLING IT. TO EDUCATE OUR KIDS ABOUT THIS SHARING INFORMATION WE SHOULD TELL THEM THE TRUTH ABOUT COPYRIGHTS AND SO ON. TO ME IT'S LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, WE HAVE TO TELL OUR YOUTH THE TRUTH ABOUT THE COMPUTER AND WHAT SHARING INFORMATION IS, BUT IT IS UP TO THEM TO RESPECT IT, BECAUSE WE CAN'T SIT BESIDE THEM EVERY MINUTE TO TELL THEM WHAT TO DO. I THINK THAT IT IS UP THE BIG COMPANIES TO BATTLE THIS ONE OUT.
I am so new to technology but seeing some of our local singers who have had their songs put on cd's with their pictures on the cover, to me is just as special as buying a well known singers cd. As for downloading music etc, from the computer, it must be illegal. If I didn't want to share anything on the computer, I woulnd'nt post it in the computer. Kids will do it , no matter what, even if we teach them not to do it, they will. I just try to put myself in their position when all this is coming out, I would most likely do it too because I like to learn new things. With me, Everytime we get a new photocopier or laminater or things like that< I like to be there to ask questions and learn how to change toners, etc. The only way that it can be stopped is that it is not so easily accessible. I think that if people didn't want to share, they wouldn't have put it on the net. There will always be good and bad about any new thing that comes out. I think it depends on people, there are good people and bad people everywhere.
Yes, I think downloading music and videos is illegal. It's wrong, but many people still do it. We should be role models to our kids, but some people that are doing this, are the parents. I used to buy my kids bonfire cards from Future Shop, so they could download music legally. I was doing good for a while, then they told me they were downloading music from Limewire, and that it wasn't illegal. Well I beg to differ. Downloading music without paying for it is wrong, and it's illegal. We, as parents should be vigilant about this whole thing, and teach our kids that it's wrong to do this. Let them know that there are music downloading cards available, such as bonfire cards, that they could buy to download music. I don't know, maybe we can't do anything about it, but at least we can give it a try.
Mary
I have to admit, that I have downloaded some tunes from the internet, and when I first did it, actually when I firs realized that I could burn cds and do all this neat stuff with this little thing I had on my computer....it took quite awhile before I even chanced to turn it on, I was that worried about, as in, it bothered me to even just see it on my desktop. So, I didn't touch it, I left it alone for quite awhile. Then one day I opened it, and it was DEFINITELY that YIKES!! feeling I got at first, just from looking over it for a bit. Even with the Windows Media Player on my computer, this was at first how I felt. On my Mac however, and being on dialup....like all my life, lol I never thought too much about downloading music, which I still don't frequently do, because dialup makes it sound like a broken record, and we at 30+ all have the advantage of remembering STILL what THOSE sounded like :D, so it's not a practice I do all the time. But, I have downloaded some things on Limewire, and yes, I still admit to feeling that YIKES feeling and I feel like somebody sees me doing it... so it's a bit of a naughty feeling. I think that it's not totally the right thing to do, but there are so many file sharing devices now, it hardly almost seems illegal. I agree that it is illegal. Some musicians allow their music to be shared on the internet though, and pretty much most don't I guess. It's a hard thing. Would I want my music if I composed music, to be shared on the internet? Would I allow my poetry to be shared? I guess, I also take the risk of knowing that this will happen regardless of whether or not I really want it there? If I post it, somebody is bound to find it, and look through it, and if they like it, say hey! did you see this? or Did you hear this? and they will share it, regardless of how I feel about that sharing. It's completely a moral question. If I left a diary out on the table, would I expect everybody to be kind enough not to look into it, and not to pull pages out and pass them around? I would hope they wouldn't do that, but the wise thing for me would be to NOT leave it out there, same with materials on the internet. I think the point I'm trying to make is that, if it is posted, or files shared, there is bound to be somebody to get a hold of it, use it and share it. Hope for the best, put a small fee on it, if possible to allow it to be shared, or ....put a good fee on it if you really want to make profit, and let it go. I would much rather go out and purchase a cd, morally, than burn one, unless if it's free to burn, free to share. But, kids have a bit of understanding, that pirating music and videos is pretty much the same thing as stealing, it is stealing. Plain and simple. Thanks :) Melissa E.
I had to put another post, I seen something in the paper yesterday, that just happened to pertain to our topic.....Sam the record man is closing it's doors. The main reason is due to the ever convenient internet and the ability to download files for free......people are losing their jobs, so is it a good thing, to download music? It may not be in the future, it is already impacting our employment economy, it makes me wonder about books, bookstores.......
Nicole S,
I think downloading music and videos is illegal if you are not paying for them. Most people don't think anything is wrong in doing this because the software to download and share music is so easily available on the internet. I think we should educate ourselves and our children about how illegal downloading is.
Many young people find it convenient to download music because it's free. They figure companies would not make MP3 players, Ipods, and DVD recorders if they did not want anyone downloading. Many realize it is illegal but think they are not harming anyone by doing so. In my opinion music and movie companies need to consider lowering the prices of their products because CD's and DVD's are over priced. Especailly, considering that it is mostly young people who download music and movies off the internet because they can not afford to spend $15-$20 for CD's. Maybe these companies would sell more if they made Cd's and DVd's more affordable to young people.
It is not legal to download music and movies from the internet so why are they still letting you do it??? Alot of people do download the free stuff and why not take advantage of it well it is free....I know it is not right but there is alot of people that are doing it and if it isn't right then why are sites like limewire shut down and stopped. I think that everyone needs to be educated on illegal downloading including myself....and I think it should tried to be stopped but I doubt they will ever find every site to stop it.
Oh NO what happened to my blog I sent in??? I sent on in at 8 or 9 am something morning...:(
Hi there Jeff, This is what I sent in... Is downloading music appropriate, let alone legal? We all know that it is illegal, just like selling cigarettes to a minor, selling illegal drugs and prescriptions is too! But it is still being done. What may be inappropriate to me may not be inappropriate for the next person; so I can’t even get into that discussion, too busy this morning Jeff. What should we be doing to educate our kids in this matter? I like what Mona had posted regarding the “Policy 311” (www.gnb.ca)(1) You "Must Not" use network resources to access, store or install large files for recreational purposes (e.g. games, graphics or music files). (2) You must respect a person's or organization's copyright for text and images found on the internet.” I believe that we can only educate the children regarding the proper use of the internet.
Is it even possible to stop? If you ask me, I really don’t think so, and should we care? I have too many things to worry about then about a millionaire getting ripped off, sorry!! I have my family, my work and my education to worry about! I asked my 2 children if they thought it was illegal; they thought it wasn’t’ because it was being “SHARED” with them and who to say that they didn’t pay for the download. Good question, I couldn’t respond to that one Jeff. “Sharing is Sharing” that what we were taught, we don’t have to pay to share, if so then that wouldn’t be referred as sharing! Since the other night’s course I have been thinking about the things I cut and paste pictures for the kid’s invitations, yellow ribbons in Support of our Troops? Was that illegal? When I receive a CD as a gift; is that illegal? AAAAaaaahhh, to much stress; Jeff!!
Hi all... I think sharing and downloading is fun..while it is out there and free! I really didnt think it was illegal since they did put it out there through free downloads.com. im sure alot of people are using sites like bit comet, limewire and tophos for free, and to get the most recent downloads. heck i do it, and i heard of it through a friend. im sure they found out through a friend! when it comes to adults and this stuff well we know what is appropriate and inappropriate but when it comes to kids we do need to monitor and educate them on what they download, copy, and use for material for educational purposes. but when it comes that the kids know more about downloading this stuff then we do!well i think...we really need to learn from the kids but teach the kids to give credit back to whom it belongs too! Do i think it's ok well if it says free.. then i do think it is..when i pay good money to get the internet! and whats out there! Im gonna take what i can when it's free before i have to pay more money! Can we stop it Probably not! there is so much information out there on how to..someone will find away around it. Should we care..well i do care alot about alot of things but this one is least of my worries!
I believe that it is alright to download music, etc..., as long as you are not doing it to make a profit. I was reading in the newspaper a couple of weeks ago that a well known music shop, Sam the Music Man, in Halifax had to close their store after many years of being in business. That made me realize that we are putting people out of business due to all the downloading of music we perform. Kinda sad, but, being a student, I have to say, tough titty. LOL
I feel that it's fine to download music and video, I just wish I knew how, I could never figure that out.lol, any way it's there for us to use if it was illegal I'm sure they would have removed it from the net along time ago. As long as one downloads only for personal use I see no problem, once we go and support the guy that downloads the videos for profit thats when we are a part of helping the black market of illegal downloading.
For now not much is being done to put a stop to downloading music. So as long as it is available to do it, its gonna keep going. I know that some way some how dispite the free downloading opportunities they are making money from us whether we know it or not. Well as long as we are able to access music and videos from the internet I am not going to worry if it is appropriate or legal.
I think that this issue is a pointless battle. It isnt right for people to be taking goods for free, but in all reality, who wants to pay 20+ dollars for a CD when all they want is one song from the whole CD that usually has on average 18 to 20 songs. No one, I can assure you wants to spend money on music they dont listen to. But the reason why I say that this is a pointless battle is because its just like gun or drug control. Its bigger than anything that anyone can control. The only way to abolish it is to take away the source completely. That would be impossible only because if the source of music piracy was removed, what would the world do without the internet? It would be catastophic.
Hmmm .. toughy... but yes downloading music from the internet without the permission from the songwriters is illegal. even more so when you sell the cd's that you have burned with the music. yes i have downloaded music, but do not anymore, only because it takes up so much space and time. I will not download the music from the internet without permission anymore because it's not right/legal, and i will pass along my new law abiding attitude to others, especially the young children :) and i soooo wanted an ipod :(
Companies that create downladable websites should create some kind of program that educates children about piracy. It is illegal to download and sell cds and dvds and children should be aware of this. We as parents and eduactors have a responsbility to ensure that our kids are safe are not committing any crimes, we are also responsilbe for teaching them the right way. But the companies should have programs for the public school system such as presentations of some sort that will help educate students about the consequences of the crime.
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